[A-List] FW: Kagarlitsky-Green with NATO envy

[Michael Hudson <michael.hudson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:06:16 -0400
To: 'Michael Hudson' <michael.hudson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [A-List] Kagarlitsky-Green with NATO envy

There was first an MT article on Nato that Boris was not the author of.
Then they posted this one, which Boris did write.

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From: Michael Hudson [mailto:michael.hudson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 4:28 PM
To: jeff sommers
Subject: Re: [A-List] Kagarlitsky-Green with NATO envy

Jeff, did Boris write this article or not? Can you explain?
    Michael


On 4/29/08 4:18 PM, "jeff sommers" <jsommers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Correction to last note.  I confused Boris's article with another similar
> one I think Boris responded to....
> 
> Jeff
> 
> --Dr. Jeff Sommers jsommers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>   
> --Stockholm School of Economics in Riga (SSE Riga)
>   Visiting Professor
> --Silk Roads Project, Co-Director
> --Center for European & Transition Studies,
>   University of Latvia, Fellow
> --Institute for Globalization Studies, Moscow, Fellow
>  
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> From: Michael Hudson [mailto:michael.hudson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 2:17 PM
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> Subject: FW: [A-List] Kagarlitsky-Green with NATO envy
> 
> Dear Jeff,
>     What to make of all this, and Boris's curious article on NATO?
> Michael
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> 
> Nestor,
> 
> There were several analyses of Kagarlitsky posted (perhaps on this site
> too, I cant remember now) on the net in the past about his connections to
> western intelligence services. He even admitted it in one famous interview
> in Russia but tried to explain it away.
> 
> He fooled a lot of us in the beginning (even me) with his book on Yeltsin
> etc and seemed to be the voice of the real left in Russia. But then it
> became clear which side he is really one and who used him to fool the left
> here in the west and in Russia. I prefer to read what Zyuganov says. He
> doesnt lie. But then of course, Zyuganov is not listened to because he is
> the leader of the Communist Party and we don't want to listen to them, do
> we? What a joke, to put this garbage on this list. If I was a conspiracy
> buff I would begin to think we have been penetrated by those interested in
> destroying this list by pissing off the real leftists with this stuff.
> They may succeed.
> 
> Chris
> 
>> It is OBVIOUS that whoever can write "Why is [any specific country] so
>> afraid of NATO expansion?" is either a fool or an enemy of the said
>> specific country. Unless she or he is speaking of the NATO-founding
>> countries.
>> 
>> If this is a Leftist (Kagarl. says he is a Trotskyist!!!!!!!!) my
>> grandmother was an apple tree.
>> 
>> 2008/4/28, Sean Fischer <seanfischer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>> 
>>>   http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/1040/42/362119.htm
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Green With NATO Envy
>>> 
>>>  04/17/2008  "How interesting!"
>>> 
>>>  These were the words of an airport security officer as he lifted a
>>> folder from my suitcase printed with the name of a conference titled,
>>> "Fascism: Familiar Enemy or New Threat?" He opened the folder, hoping
>>> to read its contents, but he was a bit disappointed to learn that I was
>>> only using the folder to hold miscellaneous papers.
>>> 
>>>  "What do you think -- is there really a fascist threat?" he asked me.
>>> 
>>>  I mentioned several racially motivated killings in Russia, but that did
>>> not interest him much.
>>> 
>>>  "Sure, those things happen," he said. "But take a look at the Baltic
>>> countries! They deny ethnic Russians their civil rights and close down
>>> their schools. Or Ukraine," he continued. "That's even worse. They're
>>> planning to join NATO. I stay up all night thinking about this."
>>> 
>>>  After speaking with the security guard, it became clear to me that the
>>> global fascist threat comes from Kiev. A few years ago, who would have
>>> thought that Russians would fear subversive activity from Ukraine as
>>> much as Islamic terrorists? But this is one example of how the
>>> anti-Ukrainian propaganda influences Russians. And it raises the
>>> question: Why is Russia so afraid of NATO expansion?
>>> 
>>>  Russian propaganda angrily condemns NATO expansion, but it never
>>> explains the specific problems or threats that could result from it.
>>> Moscow reacts with insults and protests but not with clear political
>>> reasoning.
>>> 
>>>  Of course, this does not mean that NATO is a purely peace-loving and
>>> democratic organization concerned exclusively with the security of its
>>> member countries. The Kremlin can find valid reasons to criticize NATO,
>>> but the problem is that Moscow can't offer its own principles or models
>>> for providing collective security that would serve as an alternative to
>>> NATO.
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Néstor Gorojovsky
>> El texto principal de este correo puede no ser de mi autoría
>> 
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