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Re: [A-List] A War Protest Falls Short in Manhattan



Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
What can be done to fix this problem?

For the college students? Bluetooth for Ipods... Just shut them off. (snicker)


A draft... as John Conyers (I believe) keeps putting on the floor of the House to be shot down publicly... That ought to get the attention of those Columbia students who don't use IPods in favor of other brands.

Listen... "Joining hands for peace" is just as stupid as expecting the powers to 'Give peace a chance'.

They ain't givin' nothin' to nobody as they say in the country...

FWIW, I spent the afternoon of the 19th standing at military ease by the Santa Cruz town clock with about 15 or so middle class women (UFPJ signs) while they bemoaned how no one was honking (as they stood around in a circle talking to each other.) and how suburbia just doesn't seem interested in the issue.

When I broached the subject of how the war in Iraq (I left out the "elsewhere as well") is required to support that suburban way of life (and the long fuel guzzling commute), devilducky horns apparently grew from my head and no one seemed to want to discuss it. Nor would they lend me a sign to hold FACING traffic...

One side of the signs was printed in Spanish... One of the women seemed confused when I mentioned she might want to hold that side out to traffic as well seeing that a large percentage of the county is Hispanic descent.

Apparently she was unaware.

...and in the the country, rural America, where most of America's cannon fodder lives.

Associated Press - March 18, 2008 6:55 PM ET

VESTAL, N.Y. (AP) - Ten people were arrested after police say they began shoving officers at an anti-war rally in upstate New York.

Town of Vestal Police Chief John Butler says some are charged with disorderly conduct, a violation, and others are charged with resisting arrest, a misdemeanor.

About 60 people participated in the demonstration,â

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=8036427&nav=4QcS

They tried to make a break for the military recruiting office and I don't suppose they were bringing flowers.

That's out of a population of around 26,000...

15% of the attendees wanted to burn the M/F down, or get close enough to do so.

How about New York? What percentage of non-black-bloc anti-war activists and demonstration attendees would accept that type of action?

Leigh


<http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/23/nyregion/23protest.html>
March 23, 2008
A War Protest Falls Short in Manhattan
By ANTHONY RAMIREZ

The goal of the organizers of the "River to River: Join Hands for
Peace" protest on Saturday was modest.

To make a statement against the war in Iraq, they needed thousands of
people to stretch their arms fingertip to fingertip across most of the
width of Manhattan, along 14th Street from 11th Avenue in the west to
Avenue A in the east.

"We figure three feet per person, not including the intersections,"
said Leslie Kielson, 44, a New York coordinator for a group called
United for Peace and Justice and the lead organizer of the march. "So
we need about 2,500 people."

The protest marking the fifth anniversary of the war fell short.

There were huge gaps a block or so west of where Ms. Kielson spoke, at
the south end of Union Square. Organizers asked passers-by, "Hello,
would you like to join the peace line for a second?" On many blocks,
there were more people waiting at bus shelters than demonstrators.

Ms. Kielson said her group was a 75-member coalition of unions,
religious organizations and neighborhood groups. She said that in
contrast to protests against the Vietnam War, the Persian Gulf War and
the early stages of this war, large groups of students from Columbia,
New York University and other institutions did not turn out Saturday.

For the most part, the demonstrators were parents with children,
middle-aged people or older protesters with long white hair tucked
underneath berets or bandannas with antiwar buttons.

Jonathan Fluck, 53, an actor from Boerum Hill, Brooklyn, who attended
the protest, was frustrated. The war is "so under the radar, it's like
it's not happening," he said.

Two of the few protesters in their 20s were Jose Negroni, 26, a
schoolteacher from Queens, and his fiancÃe, Claire Noelle Frost, 24, a
professional organizer. Both carried small drums to beat on in case
their voices became strained from chanting.

Mr. Negroni said the volunteer Army had removed a goad to war
protests. "If there were a draft, there would be probably 150,000
people for every protester like you and me," he said to Ms. Frost.

Farther down the human chain, Eileen Scareshefsky, a school office
worker from Manhattan, said she had been to scores of protests since
her first, in 1967. "This could be my 100th protest," she said.

Her friend Sheila Zukowsky, 57, of Washington Heights, said, "We're
both children of the '60s." She was puzzled by the lack of college
students protesting. She said, half joking, "Maybe they weren't on the
right e-mail list?"

The protest ended with a procession of two cardboard coffins to the
corner of Park Avenue South and East 17th Street â one draped with an
American flag, and the other with an American flag and an Iraqi flag.

Organizers said they would hold a candlelight vigil in Union Square on
the day after the 4,000th United States military death in Iraq. As of
Wednesday, the Department of Defense had identified 3,984 service
members killed since the start of the Iraq war. On Friday and
Saturday, four more soldiers were killed.

Colin Moynihan contributed reporting.
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 Yoshie
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