Re: [A-List] Khomeini on Sodomy

["The Buffalo In Da' Midst" <the.buffalo.in.the.midst@xxxxxxxxx>]

From a NYT piece covering the Iranian bloggers reaction to president
Ahmadinejad's speech @ Columbia:

"Dude, someone should take Ahmadinejad's hand and take him to Daneshju
Park in Valiasr Crossing. No need for explanation. Just hold on firmly
to his hand so that he does not get too excited. We all know that when
he is among different people and ethnic groups, he tries to blend in
and considers becoming one of them as his undeniable duty. So be
careful, God forbid, that when he is in Daneshju Park, this feeling of
duty might arise and cause him trouble! Unlike those boys who have
gender confusion in that godforsaken park, a president cannot pluck
his eyebrows, or wear tight-fitting clothes, or put on blusher."

â Messiah, masih.malakut.org, Sept. 25

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/opinion/30parker.html




On 9/28/07, Sabri Oncu <sabri_oncu@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Yoshie:
>
> > Rather, it is that getting identified or identifying oneself
> > as homosexuals, bisexuals, and heterosexuals is not a norm,
> > whether or not they have same-sex sex or different-sex sex.
>
> I agree, at least, historically. But the thing is, the ones who have same-sex
> sex are identified as homo-sexuals in these days, whether in Iran or in the US.
> If you have same-sex sex and others define you as home-sexual, it is highly
> likely that you define yourself as homo-sexual, too.
>
> By the way, it may be true that the number of those who have same-sex sex in
> Iran went down after the 1979 Iranian revolution, because the punishment became
> very severe.
>
> The thing is, the punishment is quite severe here in the US, too, although it
> takes a different form.
>
> On another note, I remember that Manhattan, New York was a scary place in the
> late 1980s and early 1990s, but in these days it is quite safe. Many of the
> multiple locks on the doors play the role of ornamentation today. If you drive
> most the poor out of the city, put many either in prisons or in mental
> institutions, you can do this, of course, at least, for a while.
>
> If you make the comparison on this basis, the US is as bad as Iran and vice
> versa. The difference is in the details. What is common to both, and other
> countries, is the role the punishment plays. When the social fabric decays as
> it is decaying now, punishment becomes the easiest tool to use.
>
> My point is that supporting Iran against the US imperialism is one thing, being
> against Bush or Ahmedinejad in their approach to those who have same-sex sex is
> another. Of course, I am not talking about any form of rape, be it same-sex or
> opposite.
>
> It is interesting to see that neocons suddenly became concerned with gay
> rights. Maybe, the US universities should invite Ahmedinejad here to talk more
> often for the benefit of concenting persons who have same-sex sex in the US.
>
> Sabri
>
>
>
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