Re: [A-List] (Fwd) Re: Clash of Sexual Civilizations (was Re: ahma

["Yoshie Furuhashi" <critical.montages@xxxxxxxxx>]

On 9/25/07, Macdonald Stainsby <mstainsby@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Those who adopt the discourse of sexual orientations and then find
> > themselves in a minority may wish to have a community based on their
> > minority status, but what if you create a nation in which all people
> > have the right to have sex, same-sex sex or different-sex sex, the way
> > they want to between consenting adults?  In such a nation, those who
> > regularly have same-sex sex, exclusively or in combination with
> > different-sex sex, may be a majority of people.  In such a case, just
> > about the whole nation is queer, and that sounds better to me than
> > confining the freedom to have same-sex sex to a queer minority.
> > --
> > Yoshie
>
> your hypotheticals are just that; before we get to that anarcho-sexualist
> world first we must not try to pretend that the homophobic crud that says
> "no gay people exist in Iran" is somehow pushing for this lack of
> distinction, when in fact it is pushing for the lack of any distinction
> and only women being penetrated by one man, whenever he wants, and that's
> sexuality. That's what definition is being argued by Ahmadinejad, and I
> really don't believe that you are slow or so overly-creative enough to
> truly think otherwise, but then faith produces all sorts of things.

I have talked with a lot of Iranians, both in Iran and in the
diaspora, and what I stated, the idea of sexual orientations not being
a norm in Iran, is simply a fact, not a peculiar idea of Ahmadinejad.
Whether Iranians will create the kind of society sketched above by
moving from where they stand now into the direction I suggested,
rather than adopting the discourse of sexual orientations en masse and
developing identity politics based on it, remains to be seen, and it
is up to them, not to you or me.
-- 
Yoshie