Re: [A-List] (Fwd) Re: Clash of Sexual Civilizations (was Re: ahma

["Macdonald Stainsby" <mstainsby@xxxxxxxxx>]

Those who adopt the discourse of sexual orientations and then find
> themselves in a minority may wish to have a community based on their
> minority status, but what if you create a nation in which all people
> have the right to have sex, same-sex sex or different-sex sex, the way
> they want to between consenting adults?  In such a nation, those who
> regularly have same-sex sex, exclusively or in combination with
> different-sex sex, may be a majority of people.  In such a case, just
> about the whole nation is queer, and that sounds better to me than
> confining the freedom to have same-sex sex to a queer minority.
> --
> Yoshie
>

your hypotheticals are just that; before we get to that anarcho-sexualist
world first we must not try to pretend that the homophobic crud that says
"no gay people exist in Iran" is somehow pushing for this lack of
distinction, when in fact it is pushing for the lack of any distinction
and only women being penetrated by one man, whenever he wants, and that's
sexuality. That's what definition is being argued by Ahmadinejad, and I
really don't believe that you are slow or so overly-creative enough to
truly think otherwise, but then faith produces all sorts of things.

Fidel fucked up this question for years, too. But on my trip through Cuba,
I was fortunate enough to see a "flaming gay" man, with all the trimmings
openly walking the streets of Santiago. That's what Cuba and the rest of
us need to get used to before we will get to your anarcho sexualist
society.

Again, your post is all about sex, not who is or is not queer. A man who
wants a relationship with another man, and who cares about his sex life
other than him and his partner, is the question (or two women, of course).
What Ahmadinejad is proposing is not based on respect for any of those
things, but quite the opposite. You need to stop arguing this nonsense
before the whole queer movement (if anyone listened to you) thinks they
ought to embrace the US imperialist machine to garner any basic
understanding of what they face.

Macdonald

> On 10/25/07, Macdonald Stainsby <mstainsby@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
>> >
>> > Why can't people simply be without such notions as homosexuals,
>> > bisexuals, and heterosexuals and struggle for the right to have the
>> > kind of sex, same-sex or different-sex, they want between consenting
>> > adults?
>>
>> Yoshie, queers have just as many sexual dysfunctions as the rest of us.
>> The horridly gross way you express this means that if a gay man is
>> impotent or has no sex drive then he has nothing to fight for. Fuck
>> that! Queer people have a community, just as the Italian neighbourhood
>> down the street you might go to for a good coffee.
>
>


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