Re: [A-List] Romantizing working classes - about workers, logic and Jobs

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It is true that some remaining workers who have watched others  lose  their
jobs due to plant movement overseas . . . might . . . become  militant  and
then what?

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CB: ". . .  build new plants and provide jobs for these  workers."


Reply

Please justify fighting and advocating building new plants in America so
that workers can have jobs. Please.

Jobs . . . you want the laid off workers to have jobs. Tragic thinking.
Thank God I am a communist.

Now you understand the difference in approach. Why do we need to build new
plants in America?

So that the workers can have jobs.

I understand your meaning and feeling. This is so sad that an American
Communist or rather American Marxist - I am definitely a communist, would  advocate
building new plants to give people jobs. I am extremely aware that I am
alone in my communist strivings.

I advocate economic communism or society providing socially necessary means
of life outside the value relations. In the most simple terms this means
distributing people socially necessary means of live even if they have no money
and especially no money and no job. I do not advocate that America build new
plants. I do not advocate that poverty stricken and poor workers take any job
that is available. I cannot advocate for jobs and building new plants in the
21st century.

Yet, when I call this kind of thinking and political projection reeking of
bourgeois imperial logic, and housing an obvious national chauvinism, you
declare that I have slandered you. What you have advocated is the program of the
Democratic Party. CB . . . over and over I insists that all this crap about
industry - factories, running away from the U.S. national territory is going to
 run he who mouths such an approach into the most brutal white and national
chauvinism and you feel that I have wronged you and I have no interest in
wronging you.

You are my brother and comrade, but I come from a different tradition and
political polarity. I am a communist and not a socialist. I do not advocate
socialism. I advocate economic communism for today. I cannot demand jobs for the
people. I'm sorry and here is the bottom line juncture and why I reject
American  Marxism or what some call Western Marxism as a whole. American Marxism
has been  the left wing of the bourgeoisie for basically all of its existence.

I advocate economic communism . . . for today . . . this moment in history  .
. . right now and you put forth a call to build new plants so that the
workers  can have jobs. I cannot support this kind of classical Marxism. I strongly
feel  it is wrong from every standpoint.

I advocate welfare and giving people socially necessary means of living.  And
I stood on this ground even as a union representative of some of the best
paid and most stable section of the working class in the history of our country.
 And the most of the very people who elected me, disagreed with me on this
issue.

Over 3 billion people on earth live off of less than one dollar a day and
you advocate for the American workers, that our government ensures the building
of new plants so that American workers can have jobs . . . I could break
right  down and cry. Tragic thinking.

Honest to God I hope another plant is never built in America . . . without
the most detailed examination of its impact on WO/man and society as our
environment. I will never . . . ever . . . advocate a plant is built to give
someone a job. Why not just ask for income?

And I survived and won leadership amongst the most economically stable
section of the workers, organized as a trade union, facing this relentless
bourgeois imperial ideology for a lifetime. Here is the real reason I retired at  age
49, against my brothers wishes - a leading International Representative  of
the UAW, and moved to Texas. Comrades outside the US are never given an
accurate picture of America and American communism.

Romanticizing working classes - this thread, clarify the difference on the
most elementary level.

Build plants so the workers in American can have jobs . . . What a crock of
national chauvinism. Brother when we come to power in America I am going to
try  and get elected to the committee tasked with the responsibility to tear
down  factories.

Please justify fighting and advocating building new plants in America so
that workers can have jobs. Please.

Melvin P.