Re: [A-List] Yield Curve Conundrum

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> Grok:
>
> > You know, Henry: you've obviously worked very hard all
> > your life to rather selflessly gain "cutting-edge"
> > knowledge of capitalist ekonomix many of the rest of us
> > wish we had. No wonder you're peeved at superficial and
> > idiotic sniping regarding your career choice...
> > Personally, I'd be thrilled if you could regularly give
> > "Modern Capitalism 101" online "seminars". Maybe c/o
> > A-List, even.
> >
> > You know things the rest of us should know (which goes
> > for a number of professional ekons & historians around
> > here and elsewhere). But we all know that the actual
> > existence of information doesn't imply in the least easy
> > access to it (or access at all, even).
> >
> > We should unlock that brain of yours for easy access.
> > ;P
> >
> >
> > - -- grok.
>
> In the interests of the true proletarian democracy, I feel
> a need for consensus or darn close to it is in order. Are
> there any blocks to asking this fellow to take his
> nonsensical sectarian dribble elsewhere?
>
> If so, let's see if we can find amendments that remove him
> and leave the whole process "friendly".

A truly bizarre segue and non sequitur to boot.  It's not
even clear on the basis of this one email who's being
referred to -- Henry Liu or myself (I really don't follow
the threads on A-List that much...) But it's pretty
hypocritical in either case, slamming right in after a nice,
positive email about something good.

The other one who did that recently was this Nestor guy,
who, I recall, lit into me a while ago thinking I had no
right to be making any pocket analysis of the Uruguay
election results, simply because I'm some opinionated gringo
(and so much for the objectivity of scientific marxist
analysis from any frame of reference. Apparently, 'argument
from authority' is still an important principle, even
amongst marxists. And so it was somewhat ironic that this
Nestor guy was himself similarly chastised in apparently the
same manner over some commentary on Venezuela -- a country
he has about as much experience with as myself). Funny thing
was in that case, James Petras said pretty much exactly the
same thing I did, a week or so later -- and on an uruguayan
radio station to boot. But there's that 'argument from
authority' angle we have to deal with again...

As for yourself, Stainsby: this imperious crap above
(couched in "proletarian democratic" phraseology) comes from
someone who engaged in one of the most ugly
'political-correctness' screamfests I've ever witnessed:
here on A-List with the Brother from Detroit some while
back... If I wasn't a proletarian AND a democrat, I would
have given YOU the heave-ho right then, if it had been my
choice and I'd been so inclined. Why you DIDN'T actually get
turfed right then has a lot to say about the rampant
favoritism exhibited on many of these email eLists -- as has
been the VERY subject under recent discussion here. But
then, irony doesn't seem to be one of your strong suits,
from what I can see.

"Proletarian Democracy"? I don't think you understand the
fundamental meaning of democracy, Stainsby, frankly. You
come off to me as being one of those opportunist
liberal-Left types Jim C. was alluding to recently (whether
he'd agree with me in your particular case or not. And of
course, you spent the past summer ripping around Canada
building up your political-correctness bona fides -- while I
was left, holed up in my apartment, the target of fascist
hitsquads [note the plural] -- in large part because of the
political incompetence of a north american liberal-Left
which wants us all -- bourgeois and prole -- to get along
together). You remind me of nothing so much as one of those
middle-class "pacifist" types I've witnessed physically and
viciously attacking 'Black Bloc' operatives at AntiGlob
demos, when the latter trash banks & McDonalds & the like --
because these brave pacifists know *full* well that the
police are within easy range... And we all know who's side
the police would take in THAT situation.

Sectarian? Maybe it was my calling-out the Communist Party
of Canada for continually tailing the bourgeoisie? Ad
hominem seems to be the forte of yourself and numerous
others, Stainsby, not me -- I'm simply trying to deal with
one of those big albatrosses around the neck of the world
Left. It's nothing really personal with me until someone
makes it so. It ain't me tailing the bourgeois Peace
Movement or the Democratic or NDP Parties -- I'm just trying
to deal with what this means for the Left. I think Jim C.
was also going on about sectarianism (maybe having me partly
in mind too. Dunno. Don't read enuff of this eList) -- while
arguably engaging in exactly that vice -- but what are we
supposed to do? Forget that the stalinist parties still
exist and haven't apparently learned a damned thing from the
fall of the CCCP? That liberals are doing Soros' dirty work
amongst us, as we speak (C'Mon Down, Medea Benjamin!)? Far
more than any failing of bluntnness on my part is your own
occasional shrill denunciations (not to mention the smug
sniping of comfortable careerists), wrapped in the flag of
convenience of the moment. I guess this is what passes for
smart political operating, for you. Too me, it's just plain
shortsighted and, well -- *opportunist*.

And maybe that's it: maybe you use the diversionary phrase
"proletarian democracy" to hide the possibility from us that
you really do not want to see the Left break away from the
bourgeois political system, in any fundamental way -- which
is a VITAL NECESSITY at this point. I really dunno -- but
what I *DO* know that this is an over-the-top and
*opportunist* email I am responding to. You should really be
ashamed to have even opened your trap. If you think that
recognizing there is a fundamental rift on the Left is
sectarian -- well, then there is something there you
simply do not understand. Or wish to understand, for whatever
reasons.

And the word is "drivel", 'komrad'.
And you should know it, at that.


- -- grok.




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