Re: [A-List] My note: China-Africa

["Henry C.K. Liu" <hliu@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Sabri:

The history of this list has something to do with Mark Jones and I and
perhaps several others for different reasons having been unsubbed from
so-called left/progressive lists such as lbo-talk and pen-l. When Mark
Jones started the A-list, I was one of the early people he invited to
join after I had been unceremonially unsubbed from the other lists for
too vigorously defending myself from coordinated racist attacks because
of my allegedly reversed racist views. The A-list from time to time
recently attracts the same characters from the other lists to start the
same cycle of attacks.  Bond, by the content of his posts and the tactic
of his arguments has lost all credibility with me and I do not find it
useful to engage him. But I cannot allow him to make inflammatory
reactionary accusations disguised as progressive statements, even though
its a waste of time to respond to him.  I have a lot of experience with
British-trained Third World elite intellectuals who fashion themselves
as progressives, who repeats ad nausia Western human rights mantra as
self righteous diploma for revolutionary righteousness.

Let a hundred flower bloom requires that the ideas be flowers, not
poisonous weeds.

I will ignore Bond as much as I can, and if I can no longer keep my
peace, I will unsub myself from this list.  But I cannot change my views
of him.

Henry

Sabri Oncu wrote:

> Henry:
>
>
>
> > I was going to leave it there since Bond has
> > lost all credibility on his integrity, but
> > what "Chinese brutality in Africa" is he babbling
> > about foaming in the mouth? Can he cite some cases?
>
> Dear Henry,
>
> I am glad to see that the topic continues but I am not glad to see that it
> continues this way! I do not think Patrick lost all credibility on his
> integrity. We all make "mistakes" every now and then, and I think using the
> word "fascist" in connection with Chinese "capitalism" was a "mistake" on
> his part. "Chinese brutality in Africa" does not sound that well either,
> until it is proven, supposing that we know what exactly it means. However,
> given his past, Patrick can afford to make a few of such mistakes every now
> and then. The same applies to you too.
>
> What I am interested in seeing in this discussion is some fruitful exchange
> from which we all can learn but it is not going to happen if such
> accusations continue.
>
> By the way, I guess I would be good candidate for the following award Jim
> defined:
>
>
>
> f) Order of Revolutionary List Management: given to list managers and
> originators for their time and expenses incurred maintaining lists of
> cyberwarriors from fundamentally contradictory and hostile sects and
> perspectives while balancing flame wars to protect the numbers of
> cyberwarriors and often esoteric discussions on the list in order to
> protect/project the list itself;
> <<<
>
> Kidding aside, I do not think this list and its members qualify for any of
> the awards Jim mentions and I ask their help in proving me correct. The main
> objective of this list's originator, that is, Mark Jones, was to avoid such
> nonsense so that we all can engage in intelligent discussions, and exchange
> knowledge and information on the  fundamental economic, political,
> ideological, ecological and war-peace dimensions of what Mark called
> Exterminism, that is, what we have now as the governing world system.
>
> This has been the main objective of his predecessors, including myself as
> well, and I hope that it continues to be so also in the future with or
> without the current moderators.
>
> Now I repeat my call:
>
> "Let a thousand flowers bloom, let a hundred schools of thought contend!"
>
> Hmmm! I am not sure but it is possible that someone else might also have
> said this some time ago! And most likely, that person did call hundreds of
> persons to insult each other.
>
> What China is and what she is not is a very important topic for all of us to
> think and learn about independently of this list and if we can do talk about
> it here in a productive manner, what more can we expect from a list like
> this.
>
> Do you think we can do that here?
>
> Best,
>
> Sabri