Re: [A-List] How "scientific" is science?

["tony black" <tal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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talked....'Show me'


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From: "Hayduke" <hayduke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "The A-List" <a-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [A-List] How "scientific" is science?


>    Enough of this nonsense! This is simply not true. there are plenty of
> quality, scientific publications thoroughly documenting the HIV virus and
> its role in acquired immunodeficiency.
>
>    Continuing to insist that the moon is made of green cheese helps no
> one.
>
>    Michael
>
> on 12/17/2005 10:00 AM, bar@xxxxxxxxxxx at bar@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> > The hiv virus is not documented at all. I challenge you to present one
> > published scientific paper where it is claimed it has been found. They
> > dont exist. You are relying on the mass press which keeps stating what
> > you
> > have repeated but it doesnt stand up to scutiny. The virus still has
> > never
> > been observed, has not been photographed, or its DNA structure analyzed
> > becuase it has not been found. not once in any person to this date. Some
> > scientists, that is those whose reputations depend on this theory claim
> > to
> > have proved its existence by claiming that certain p[rotein particles in
> > the blood appear to be particles of such a virus but others state that
> > those can be free floating protein particles or particles of thousands of
> > other viruses we have in our systems. No one has yet detected the virus
> > itself. Furhter the detection of antibodies to a virus usually means that
> > one is proected agaisnt the disease but these hocus-pocus guys claim that
> > is evidence of illness.  No if you read the material at the Perth Group
> > site and hundreds of other sites and read what many scientists around the
> > world say (including Nobel laureates)you will find that what you think
> > you
> > know is not so at all.
> >
> > Chris
> > > on 12/16/2005 8:00 PM, Sabri Oncu at soncu@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > >
> > > > But the propagation of the hiv-aids myth benefits the drug
> > > > companies who now have a market for their old anti-cancer
> > > > fatally toxic drugs and effectively masks the fact that
> > > > western economic policies are decimating the peoples of the
> > > > third world and in particular Africa.
> > >
> > > Yes, the pharmaceutical industry capitalizes on all epidemic diseases.
> > > This does not, however, mean that diseases do not exist.
> > >
> > > The HIV virus is well documented world-wide, historically back to
> > > 1959.
> > > There is no question as to the existence of this virus and its nature.
> > >
> > > The interactions among nutrition, immunology and general human health
> > > relating to HIV and AIDS are subjects for debate and investigation.
> > > there
> > > is
> > > no vast conspiracy to profit from the invention of a false HIV virus. It
> > > is
> > > very real and its effects are very real.
> > >
> > > It's important to separate the real from the fantasy, by examining the
> > > evidence. Rationality is our only defense in the face of fantasy.
> > >
> > > Michael
>
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