Re: [A-List] How "scientific" is science?

[bar@xxxxxxxxxxx]

Hayduke,

Sorry, my friend, but what you say is simply not the case. As I said,
present to me even one journal which has published a paper in which it is
stated "we have identified the virus". They dont exist. There is a
challenge put out by the Perth Group of researchers to the world medical
community to produce such a document. No one has met that challenge yet.

As I said, do some more reading. I once also tapped into the hiv theory as
truth as I beleived what the media told me. But when I began reading the
science, well, it isnt there. I am in contact with and work withthe Perth
Group (Dr. Val Turner is one of the figures in that research group) and
can get you many papers discussing the improbablity of the hiv theory.

Chris
>     Enough of this nonsense! This is simply not true. there are plenty of
> quality, scientific publications thoroughly documenting the HIV virus and
> its role in acquired immunodeficiency.
>
>     Continuing to insist that the moon is made of green cheese helps no
> one.
>
>     Michael
>
> on 12/17/2005 10:00 AM, bar@xxxxxxxxxxx at bar@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
>>
>> The hiv virus is not documented at all. I challenge you to present one
>> published scientific paper where it is claimed it has been found. They
>> dont exist. You are relying on the mass press which keeps stating what
>> you
>> have repeated but it doesnt stand up to scutiny. The virus still has
>> never
>> been observed, has not been photographed, or its DNA structure analyzed
>> becuase it has not been found. not once in any person to this date. Some
>> scientists, that is those whose reputations depend on this theory claim
>> to
>> have proved its existence by claiming that certain p[rotein particles in
>> the blood appear to be particles of such a virus but others state that
>> those can be free floating protein particles or particles of thousands
>> of
>> other viruses we have in our systems. No one has yet detected the virus
>> itself. Furhter the detection of antibodies to a virus usually means
>> that
>> one is proected agaisnt the disease but these hocus-pocus guys claim
>> that
>> is evidence of illness.  No if you read the material at the Perth Group
>> site and hundreds of other sites and read what many scientists around
>> the
>> world say (including Nobel laureates)you will find that what you think
>> you
>> know is not so at all.
>>
>> Chris
>>> on 12/16/2005 8:00 PM, Sabri Oncu at soncu@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>
>>>> But the propagation of the hiv-aids myth benefits the drug
>>>> companies who now have a market for their old anti-cancer
>>>> fatally toxic drugs and effectively masks the fact that
>>>> western economic policies are decimating the peoples of the
>>>> third world and in particular Africa.
>>>
>>> Yes, the pharmaceutical industry capitalizes on all epidemic diseases.
>>> This does not, however, mean that diseases do not exist.
>>>
>>> The HIV virus is well documented world-wide, historically back to
>>> 1959.
>>> There is no question as to the existence of this virus and its nature.
>>>
>>> The interactions among nutrition, immunology and general human health
>>> relating to HIV and AIDS are subjects for debate and investigation.
>>> there
>>> is
>>> no vast conspiracy to profit from the invention of a false HIV virus.
>>> It
>>> is
>>> very real and its effects are very real.
>>>
>>> It's important to separate the real from the fantasy, by examining the
>>> evidence. Rationality is our only defense in the face of fantasy.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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