Re: [A-List] How "scientific" is science?

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Hayduke

No, it is not QED. The proponents of the hiv theory cannot support their
claims. It is for them to prove their positive assertion not for me to
disprove a negative. Further I can refer you to many article and papers
which establish that their claims are completely bogus and The easiest way
for you to become acquainted with that is to go to the Perth Group website
and they will lead you to many other links to scientific literature omn
the subject.  Go there. Look around. Have a read. I gauarentee you will
find it very, very interesting.

Chris

>     QED
>
> on 12/17/2005 10:00 AM, bar@xxxxxxxxxxx at bar@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
>> The hiv virus is not documented at all. I challenge you to present one
>> published scientific paper where it is claimed it has been found.
>
> EMBO J. 2003 Apr 1;22(7):1707-15
>
>     Structural organization of authentic, mature HIV-1 virions and cores.
> Briggs JA, Wilk T, Welker R, Krausslich HG, Fuller SD.
>
> The Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics, Division of Structural
> Biology, University of Oxford, Roosevelt Drive, Headington, Oxford OX3
> 7BN,
> UK.
>
> Mature, infectious HIV-1 particles contain a characteristic cone-shaped
> core
> that encases the viral RNA and replication proteins. The architectures of
> mature virions and isolated cores were studied using cryo-electron
> microscopy. The average size ( approximately 145 nm) of the virion was
> unchanged during maturation. Most virions contained a single core but
> roughly one-third contained two or more cores. Consideration of the capsid
> protein concentration during core assembly indicated that core formation
> in
> vivo is template-mediated rather than concentration-driven. Although most
> cores were conical, 7% were tubular. These displayed a stacked-disc
> arrangement with 7-, 8-, 9- or 10-fold axial symmetry. Layer line
> filtration
> of these images showed that the capsid subunit arrangement is consistent
> with a 9.6 nm hexamer resembling that previously seen in the helical tubes
> assembled from purified capsid protein. A common reflection (1/3.2 nm)
> shared between the tubular and conical cores suggested they share a
> similar
> organization. The extraordinary flexibility observed in the assembly of
> the
> mature core appears to be well suited to accommodating variation and hence
> there may be no single structure for the infectious virion.
> PMID: 12660176 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
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