Re: [A-List] How "scientific" is science?

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Sabri

Well, the fact is the lie has been kept alive becuase of the usual
interlink between the big drug companies and the press and certain govts
(that is all the western govts) who want the world to beleive that death
and disease casued by poverty are really the fault of a virus which still
has not yet been identified. However, the lie is only partially successful
and only in the mainstream press. In the scientific journals there is a
plethora of papers dealing with the non-existence of a connection between
this theoretical virus and disease and there are literally thousands of
articles on the subject on the web. It is the official postion of the
African National Congress (or was until recently-havent checked them for a
few months) and is what got Mbeki in trouble with the pro-hiv-aids groups
funded largely by US drug companies who want to peddle their drugs to
Africans;that aids (that is the damaging of immunue systems in people) is
caused by poverty, bad water, malnutrition and drug use not a virus and
further that a lot of syphillis cases have been classed as hiv. This is no
secret but the main stream press refuses to publish it.

Several scientists who first proposed the hiv theory have since backed
away and come back to their original idea that it is the result of poverty
and chemical abuse. This has been published in scientific journals and the
web.

I refer you to the Perth Group base in Australia, a group of reearchers
and doctors who take the position hiv-aids is a myth and their site will
link with dozens of papers of eminent scientists around the world and
other links to other groups who now take that position. ACT UP the San
Francisco gay activist group (which has chapters in other US and Canadian
cities) and which jumped on the hiv-aids theory initially as they didnt
like the chemical-lifestyle explanation which they saw as attacking
certain gay lifestyles have now reversed themselves and have adopted the
no-hiv-aids coonnection. They advise their members not to take hiv tests
as they are useless and to combat the idea that hiv causes aids and
further advise their members to stop using the drugs which appear to be
the cause primarily cocaine and poppers (amy and butly nitrates which
severely damage the immune system and which are popular among certain
groups.)

The big lie is only partially successful. But it is unravelling more and
more as people become aware that the evidence of an hiv-aids link just is
not there.

Chris



> Chris:
>
>> But the propagation of the hiv-aids myth benefits the drug
>> companies who now have a market for their old anti-cancer
>> fatally toxic drugs and effectively masks the fact that
>> western economic policies are decimating the peoples of the
>> third world and in particular Africa.
>
> Dear Chris,
>
> I do not debate that drug companies do whatever they can to profit from
> whatever disease there is and attempt to mislead (lie to) the public in
> their search for profits, with success for most of the time I must add.
>
> Many of the crimes many "global" drug companies commit are well documented
> and even the "ordinary" folks can watch their crimes in such popular
> movies
> as the recent "The Constant Gardener". Further, although I agree with Dale
> that science is mythical of some sort, as I have always claimed to the
> same
> effect after my "awakening" quite a while ago, I also agree with what Tony
> implied in his response, at least, as I interpreted it: if you tell lies,
> sooner or later you get caught, whether these lies are "scientific" or
> otherwise.
>
> I find it a bit difficult for the drug companies to sustain such a lie for
> so long. Being a not so young person, I remember the first time I heard
> about AIDS/HIV. It was more than 20 years ago and I doubt that even
> Galileo's discovery could have been kept secret for that long, especially
> if
> Galileo had the same channels of communication we now have today.
>
> This is all want to say and I invite others to comment on this.
>
> Best,
>
> Sabri
>
>
>