Re: [A-List] How "scientific" is science?

["mdriscoll@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <mdriscoll@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I haven't read all of this exchange, just a quick scan Am I mistaken in
having concluded long since from my experience in poor 3d world countries
(in my case Ethiopia, Kenya and Tanzania) that immune deficiency is
virtually pandemic, is the principal contributor to the prevalence of
progressively debilitating diseases such as schistosomiasis, malaria,
Hansen's disease, AIDS, and is closely associated with among other
correlates malnutrition? Isn't this what was behind Mbeki's statements?
Which were inadequately restated or not quoted at all in the press? I know
that, in the cases of several of such diseases it was common knowledge in
Africa that hospitalization (bed rest) and adequate diet would largely
clear up these conditions to the extent that lifelong deprivation (and life
in a climate where everything, including microbes, is clamoring to find its
host) could be overcome, but of course such treatment wasn't available to
the overwhelming number of people. Is this so new? Even heavy chemical
abuse is more or less tolerated if other conditions are relatively
life-sustaining. There's the rub in talking of scientific "objectivity" -
again, what are the relevant data, what are the effects of social denial,
what is the measure? Where do "empirical data" and strictly conventional
scientific explanation prove inadequate and the social enter? All the way
along, I'd say. Comes in therefore dialectical materialism...

Ralph


> [Original Message]
> From: Hayduke <hayduke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: The A-List <a-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 12/17/2005 8:15:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [A-List] How "scientific" is science?
>
>     Enough of this nonsense! This is simply not true. there are plenty of
> quality, scientific publications thoroughly documenting the HIV virus and
> its role in acquired immunodeficiency.
>
>     Continuing to insist that the moon is made of green cheese helps no
one.
>
>     Michael
>
> on 12/17/2005 10:00 AM, bar@xxxxxxxxxxx at bar@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> >
> > The hiv virus is not documented at all. I challenge you to present one
> > published scientific paper where it is claimed it has been found. They
> > dont exist. You are relying on the mass press which keeps stating what
you
> > have repeated but it doesnt stand up to scutiny. The virus still has
never
> > been observed, has not been photographed, or its DNA structure analyzed
> > becuase it has not been found. not once in any person to this date. Some
> > scientists, that is those whose reputations depend on this theory claim
to
> > have proved its existence by claiming that certain p[rotein particles in
> > the blood appear to be particles of such a virus but others state that
> > those can be free floating protein particles or particles of thousands
of
> > other viruses we have in our systems. No one has yet detected the virus
> > itself. Furhter the detection of antibodies to a virus usually means
that
> > one is proected agaisnt the disease but these hocus-pocus guys claim
that
> > is evidence of illness.  No if you read the material at the Perth Group
> > site and hundreds of other sites and read what many scientists around
the
> > world say (including Nobel laureates)you will find that what you think
you
> > know is not so at all.
> >
> > Chris
> >> on 12/16/2005 8:00 PM, Sabri Oncu at soncu@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >>
> >>> But the propagation of the hiv-aids myth benefits the drug
> >>> companies who now have a market for their old anti-cancer
> >>> fatally toxic drugs and effectively masks the fact that
> >>> western economic policies are decimating the peoples of the
> >>> third world and in particular Africa.
> >>
> >> Yes, the pharmaceutical industry capitalizes on all epidemic diseases.
> >> This does not, however, mean that diseases do not exist.
> >>
> >> The HIV virus is well documented world-wide, historically back to
> >> 1959.
> >> There is no question as to the existence of this virus and its nature.
> >>
> >> The interactions among nutrition, immunology and general human health
> >> relating to HIV and AIDS are subjects for debate and investigation.
there
> >> is
> >> no vast conspiracy to profit from the invention of a false HIV virus.
It
> >> is
> >> very real and its effects are very real.
> >>
> >> It's important to separate the real from the fantasy, by examining the
> >> evidence. Rationality is our only defense in the face of fantasy.
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
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