Re: [A-List] My Note

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In a message dated 12/6/2004 1:16:04 PM Central Standard Time,
JCraven@xxxxxxxxx writes:

Response Jim C: to call someone a "liar", on this list or anywhere else,
means that one is able to "prove" not only was something incorrect or
untruthful said by another person, but, also, that the incorrect or
untruthful statement was uttered or written by that other person who
KNEW that the given statement being uttered or written was incorrect or
untrue but that person decided to put the statement out anyway. This
gets into state of mind and intent (mens rea) and of course opens the
counter of on what basis and with what evidence does one assert
knowledge of true state of mind and intent of another on this list.

Comment

Sir . . . I have the modern figures of the Stalin era and Lou P is a liar. He
is a liar in his description and politics of the era of industrialization in
the Soviet Union. The implication that facts and figures are not available is
unwarranted.

I state on the public record that the Stalin era, was the most peaceful in
human history . . . up until China's phase of industrialization. Lou is a
fucking liar. This can be proven and even the bourgeoisie no longer deny this fact
of history. Lou writes from a point of view - deliberately, that denies this.

One of us or both of us are lying. Now, I will dig out his bullshit and prove
this, especially about America.

I do not agree with Trotskyism and Lou P is a fucking liar about the history
of the American Union and I can present the evidence.

Let us invert the question.

Where have I lied about the Soviet Union and China?

He is a fucking liar.

Soviet industrialization was the most peaceful on earth compared to bourgeois
industrialization.

This is about Stalin and the National Factor and we do not need to talk
because you accused me of things Jim . . . that where mistaken.

See. . . . Jim, this is not right man.

This is not right brother.

The blood have been measured and there is no neutral side.

Lou says the Stalin thing is the horror of history and this is not true. Am I
to repudiate everything I am and my kids and mother? What he says is simply a
lie. This shit hurt because you know what they did. This is not fun for me.

We imperialist man and insists that we die as men with our honor.

Do you understand our slogan?

It is "better to die on ones feet than their knee."

That's it.


Lou P is a fucking liar and distorting history that I have lived. This is
fucked up . . . man.

You telling me that all of my fucking life is a fiction and that Stalin was
not great and he killed . . .

This is real hard man.

I come from slaves and simply have another point of view about the historical
record.

I of course can prove Lou is a liar on the basis of his own writings.

I CAN PROVE THIS.

Melvin P.