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James,
Excellent comment!
I do not share the xenophobic dent of the article I forwarded, but the economic description was good I think, concerning the fate the US has brought upon itself, by its own doings.
I can't remember the article, but someone correctly commented a few weeks ago that the Chinese boom depends on the US consumer and credit system. However, since the mid-1990s China has deliberately developed its interior production AND consumption, also for this reason. Whether domestic consumption grows fast enough remains to be seen.
 
John,
I agree with very much but still have a few comments.
Ad. # 1: Not only does the comments on China resemble the situation with Japan in the 1980s, but also parallell Germany-bashing in the 1890s etc etc.
Ad. # 2: Although it is futile to defend Mercantilism in GENERAL, I suggest you take a more balanced view on Mercantilism and distrust liberalist textbooks more. The core characteristic of Mercantilism is 'pragmatism', a hands-on approach guided by experience. E.g. a common reason for state initiatives was lack of private initiative, but when sufficient private initiative had been established, activities were 'transferred' to the private sphere. Or, 'gathering' foreign coinage increased domestic circulation and ec. growth.
Ad. # 3: I do doubt that the US has deliberately promoted a more prosperous China, and suspect that htis has more been a side-effect of policies that suited domestic interests. I also doubt that any such promotion were for reasons of peace, as I fear that the bad side of Mercantilist policies learned e.g. from the European colonial master, especially Britain, have been kept well in mind in the US power circles. This of course concerns power politics where rivals must be strangled in the craddle before it is 'too late'.
Ad. # 4: You wrote: CAD? aha - Current Account Deficit  www.acronymfinder.com
>If those inflows ceased the CAD would evaporate
OK, but what would then happen?...
Probably, either or : Interest rate would rise, dollar sink, import sink, export rise.
In other words 'a normal adjustment' (if somewhat abrupt)?
 
Arno
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----- Original Message -----
From: John Craig
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:20 PM
Subject: RE: China's Deliberate Economic Attack On America

Gentlemen
 
I have sympathy with your efforts to make sense of what is going on economically, and would like to suggest some perspectives which you might like to consider:
 
First,  'China's deliberate attack on America':
  • is very similar to the sorts of comments which were being made about Japan's strategies in the 1980s - and there are some who still hold similar concerns, though in fact it is clear that Japan's success formula was severely disrupted in the 1990s;
  • does not reflect an 'Asia literate' perspective on what is going on. While I am not an expert on China's methods, it is clear that the analysis makes assumptions about what is going on that assume that what is happening is the sorts of things which would apply in Western society. For example it assumes that China is military dictatorship exploiting slave labour, rather than neo-Confucian society. In Western society the protectionist and preferential treatment given to Chinese firms would be a formula for disaster. It works (to the extent that it does) in China only because of the use of arational / intuitive means of problem solving within a social hiearchy [These methods don't assume that central economic planners can really plan]. However, as in Japan, these methods rely on a massive savings effort - and result in huge losses of those savings;
Second,  the notion that "economics is war" (and thus that China thinks that it is attacking America) is the East Asian tradition - and thus it is almost certainly what is going on. However mercantilistic strategies do not have a history of success (eg because they do not create a sustainable economic system (because of the imbalance between production and consumption); they distort society (because people don't get the benefits of all their effort), they wind up producing things of dubious overall benefit - because authorities rather than consumers select them) 
 
Third, China faces major obstacles and needs all the help that it can get. I have suggested some of those obstacles in China's Development: Assessing the Implications. Those problems include:
  • the potential for an economic bust that is implicit in the neo-Confucian dynamics of its economy. While the US faces a 'cash flow' problem (ie a current account deficit) China's (and Japan's) methods present themselves with a huge balance sheet problem;
  • risk of ecological disaster - and severe problems in satisfying its resource requirements;
  • potential for domestic conflict which are only too real.
I suspect that the author of  'China's deliberate attack on America' may be quite correct in asserting that the US has been boosting global growth for the past 10-15 years - but suspect that this may not have been accidental. A prosperous China (for example) is much less of a threat to others than one which was in the same condition as North Korea.
 
Fourth,  the US position (as presented by the honourable Alan Greenspan) may not be as serious as its indebtedness suggests. What I suspect has been going on is based on deep thinking about the nature of financial and economic systems - and developing strategies on the basis of scenario analysis and 'gaming' to carefully evaluate the risks. My version of why Greenspan may be right is in Structural Incompatability Puts Global Growth at Risk. For example:
  • the current account deficit the US has is significantly influenced by its capital inflows. If those inflows ceased the CAD would evaporate - not HAVE to be financed in desparation;
  • because of the imbalances in East Asian economies they are forced to keep supplying capital. And currently they have to do this in the face of hedge funds who are trying to force the $US down - which (if the hedge funds succeed) will massively compound the balance sheet problem that the Asian banks face;
  • all US debts are in their own currency - which they can create credit to cover at the drop of a hat.  And there are no serious alternative global reserve currencies on the horizon.
There is a global economic problem which is very severe in my opinion. But I am not convinced that it is mainly a US problem.
 
Regards
 
John Craig
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Santos [mailto:garysantos@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 6:22 AM
To: James Cumes; cpds@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I just sent out to the groups an article on Greenspan's latest speech "not to worry" that appeared in the New York Times today. I wondered if the fellow is going nuts. All the debt is all right, he said, times have changed that makes the mountain of debt okay. Now, I'm really getting nervous.
----- Original Message -----
Subject: China's Deliberate Economic Attack On America

Arno,
 
The key strategists in the "attack" by China on the US - admittedly, the inadvertent strategists - were not the Chinese but the Americans themselves.
With ever-growing momentum since 1969, and with transparent effect since the Reagan Administration twenty years ago - though most people, including all Americans of whom I have any knowledge, were unable to see through the transparency - the Americans have been determinedly diminishing the real growth of their own economy and stimulating the growth of others.
That does not matter so much when the countries stimulated cannot, in any forseeable circumstances, rival the United States in economic, political or strategic power. But it does matter - and it matters a great deal - when the economy to which the United States inadvertently transfers its strength is an actual or potential rival of the significance of China.
What the Chinese have done of course is to take advantage of the incredible opportunity offered to them.
When I visited Beijing, Shanghai etc in 1974, it was a long shot that China would lift itself out of the Mao/communist shackles with which the economy had tied itself in knots.
There was no real chance then, it seemed, that China could rival the United States - not in several generations anyway, perhaps never.
But when I went there ten years later, the position had already changed. The policies were well in place on the United States side to gloat over the coming self-destruction of the Soviet Union but to be completely unaware of what their own policies were doing to position a genuine and even more dangerous rival in the Soviet Union's place.
In that same year, 1984, the beginnings were already there, on the Chinese side, of the transformation, flowing from United States policies, that would bring China back to the position she held centuries ago, as the centre, in many ways, of world culture and of world power.
Not yet in 1984 but in prospect for those who had eyes to see, the foundations were being laid for what even the greatest dunce and dullard should now be able to see: that, unless the Americans come to their senses right smart - and Bush and his mob of self-seeking mediocrities are unlikely to be able to manage it - then the American "century" will continue to fade and the Chinese "century" will continue to come into ever sharper focus.
Will a Democratic Kerry Administration do any better?
I think it will be better than the continuing debacle we can expect under Bush; but I doubt that it can make the quick transformation of economic and other policies that are so urgently necessary.
On the other hand, the United States is already in the midst of an economic crisis whose dimensions are not yet adequately recognised except by a few, and that crisis, as it deepens, might, willy-nilly, precipitate a transformation sufficient to save the United States from a collapse, perhaps of the dimensions of the Soviet Union more than ten years ago.
 
James Cumes
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 8:38 AM
Subject: [gang8] China's Deliberate Economic Attack On America

In spite of the xenophobic title, this article is worthwhile reading.
 
Seems to me that the Chinese are playing the game better than the US, and that the response the US could give, a traditional mercantilist strategy, would require a complete transformation of US economic policy, and therefore won't happen soon to say the least. Is the US economy 'doomed'.....?
 
(Peter Myers forwarded this article)
 
Arno
 
 
Full article:
 
.............
 
Excerpts (without repetitions and commercials):
 
China's Deliberate Economic Attack On America

................
 
"Beijing's Secret War on America" How China Expects To Win "The first
rule of unrestricted warfare is that there are no rules, with nothing
forbidden." - Col. Qiao Liang & Col. Wang Xiangsui China's People's
Liberation Army, and co-authors of Unrestricted Warfare

Has there ever been a rising power, in the pages of history, that has
picked up economic momentum... packed on military might... and then
decided not to flex it's muscles?

The answer, as you well know, is that there hasn't. Power is power. The
nations that have it chomp at the bit to use it. Which is exactly what
China is doing now. But you don't have to take my word for it. Roger W.
Robinson Jr -- head of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review
Commission -- gave this testimony to the U.S. House of Representatives
back in October 2003. He laid out the Chinese blueprint for undermining
the U.S. economy:


° First, they devalue their currency by as much as 40%

° Then they issue tariffs on foreign goods

° They cut foreign firms off from local marketing channels

° They chaperone and handpick partners for international joint ventures

° They give preferential loans to their own factories from state banks

° Chinese companies get privileged listing on the Chinese stock market

° Chinese companies get special tax breaks not available to foreigners

................

China has an unbelievable history. They have lots of culture. Three
thousand years ago, they were building palaces... while my ancestors
were making mud patties on the English moors. So no, I'm under no
delusions about the greatness China is capable of
. But that doesn't
change the rest of the facts I'm about to show you. When I show them to
you, I'm confident you'll come to the same conclusions I have. You'll
see instantly that what's quietly unraveling the fabric of the American
economy.
.. the exploding deficits, the massive trade gap, the
joblessness, and even some secret aspects of the war on terrorism... is
not only no accident, but it can all be traced back to, shockingly
enough, Beijing. Here's the "real" truth: Without a doubt, China's
military government has actually masterminded adeliberate assault
on the
American way of life.


I'm going to show you how they've done it. It's a war. Not with tanks or
missiles. Not with jets, bullets, or guns. Or hand grenades.

The "combatants" in this battle wear business suits. They hit you with
handshakes, contracts, and smiles. But don't be fooled. This is war
without rules
. In the words of one of their own military officers,
"nothing is forbidden."

Without drawing a drop of blood, Beijing fully expects to win... and
here's how they plan to do it: Guerilla Economics! Step back for a
second. And remember... When we talk about modern China, we're not
talking about a democracy. We're talking about a military dictatorship.

Even now, in 2004. This is the way they do business. I'm calling it
"guerilla economics." The goal is to destroy the competition. And at the
same time... create a guaranteed money-making environment for China's
own entrepreneurs.

Is it working.

For China, absolutely... Ding Lei is 32 years old. He's also the richest
man in China. His NetEase.com outfit didn't crank out a nickel of profit
until 2003. But his stock is up 50-fold thanks to ecstatic American
investors
, and Ding is now personally worth $900 million! Chen Tianqiao
is just 30. In 1999, he ran a cartoon Web site. Now he runs Shanda
Networking, an online gaming business out of Shanghai. New York venture
capitalists helped him get started
. Now he's personally worth $480
million. Larry Rong's dad is Rong Yiren, founder of CITIC. CITIC is the
biggest company in China and a magnet for U.S. investment dollars. Larry
is personally worth $850 million. His family is worth closer to $2
billion.

The military government of China has their hands deep in the pie too.

Take China's biggest TV and cell phone maker, TCL Corp. It's state
owned. Last year they exported 3.83 million TVs. They expect to ship 5
million more!

"All Beijing has to do is to mention the possibility of a sell order
going down the wires. It would devastate the U.S. economy more than any
nuclear strike." Asia Times, Jan. 23, 2004

The top 100 richest people in China now have an average wealth of $230
million. Another 10,000 or so more Chinese are worth at least $10
million so far. And that's up from zero millionaires in China as
recently as 1979.


Of course, most of the companies listed on the Shanghai exchange are
still state-owned
. The top 14 Chinese car-makers are state owned -- with
bloated bureaucratic budgets. But that doesn't matter -- in 2003, U.S.
investors poured millions and millions of dollars into China
Brilliance
Automotive shares -- and it's stock shot up 232%!

For all appearances, it looks like China has cracked the code of Western
capitalism
. Three years ago, for instance, China didn't manufacture a
single laptop. NOW they make 40%
of all laptops sold worldwide! They're
also ranked as the world's biggest maker of computer hardware...
consumer electronics... even steel (remember when that used to be
Pittsburgh?).

China cranks out 38% of the world's cell phones. And half of the world's
shoes
. Plus most of the wooden furniture, video games, and televisions
in the United States. But guess what happens when you take a look at the
other side of the coin...

Is This the End of the American Miracle? We're feeling the China boom
right here at home, too. But somehow it's not the same...

Here in the United States, American Metal Ware had made nearly 2.5
million pots in their Wisconsin factory... before they had to shut it
down.

Chinese manufactures stole the design and cranked out copies at half the
price.


To compete, Metal Ware had to move over to China.

Levi's were the all-American brand. They once had 63 U.S. plants. They
just closed the last two and fired all the workers. Levi's will be made
in China now.


Walt Disney was an all-American success story. But Disney's "Winnie the
Pooh" dolls are made not here, but in the same place as Dr. Scholl's
sandals and Foster Grant Sunglasses -- China.

How about Wilson tennis balls or Black & Decker drills? Silk flowers,
sneakers, wood furniture, and hand-held "Game Boy" video games? All sold
here, but all manufactured in... China.


A mind-blowing 80% of all the toys, bikes, and Christmas tree ornaments
sold in the Unites States came from China. Along with 90% of the
sporting goods and 95% of the shoes. Motorola spent over $1 billion
moving operations from the US to China.


Thousands lost their jobs -- replaced by 10,000 Chinese workers in four
new plants on the coast of the Yellow Sea. Look, there's nothing wrong
with making money.
And you can't fault anybody for just doing business
and looking out for their own best interests. But at what cost? And
whose expense?


A New Hampshire radio show made a public dare: "Take $400 an hour at
Wal-Mart. Buy as many 'Made In America' goods as you can." Two listeners
took the challenge. An hour later, they hit the checkout line with a
basketful of 40 items. Guess how many actually were made in America?
Just 10
. It's no wonder. Sam Walton, Wal-Mart's founder, wrote an
autobiography called "Made In America." But today, Wal-Mart alone
imports a mind-blowing $12 billion of goods from China every year...
That's more than China's trade with either Russia or the United Kingdom!

How did this happen? Beijing's Ugly SECRET #1: "Crush the Competition
With Slave Labor
!" Chinese workers average 61¢ an hour. US factory
workers average $16 an hour. In other words, US workers make more in two
weeks than most Chinese laborers make in a whole year! Nobody outside of
China can compete with that
. "We are beholden to the Chinese by our
Treasuries. That worries me."

Carla Hills, Former U.S. trade representative China gets an endless
supply of labor for just pennies. And there's a waiting list nearly 200
million people
long to take over those jobs when the current workers
drop from exhaustion
(they work 12 hour days, 7 days a week). Moral or
not, Beijing's slave-labor strategy does exactly what they hoped it
would... It's sucked the life out of America's more costly industrial
complex!
Just check out the numbers: Over 450 U.S. companies are based
in China. That's more than 10 times the number of U.S. companies there
in 1990.


They've got combined annual sales of $23 billion. And more than 250,000
employees. In fact, U.S. investment in China is now a record $33 billion
a year!


Meanwhile...

Nearly 2,250 American manufacturing jobs here in the Unites States have
disappeared... every single day!

That's a not something new... it's been the trend day in and day out,
over and over again... for 40 months straight!

What are the Chinese up to? They learned this trick from the Americans.
Especially mega-rich superstars like Andrew Carnegie, John Rockefeller,
and J. Pierpont Morgan. It's the genius strategy of any savvy monopoly
maker:
First, move in and CRUSH the competition with cutthroat pricing.
Then... take away his business and leave him high and dry!

Thanks to slave labor, Chinese companies can crush U.S. competition with
lots of cheap goods that USED to be made right here in America
. In
exchange, they not only get our purchases... they get our companies,

when they're forced to pack up and move over to China so they can take
advantage of the same cheap labor strategy. What's more, China also gets
to send a whole new kind of export to America.
.. Chinese STOCKS! And in
return for that, they get billions more in investment capital. Straight
from the trading accounts of private U.S. investors. Imagine. We're
literally paying Beijing to "rip the heart" out of the U.S. heartland
!

But it gets even better. Because that's only the FIRST dirty strategy
engineered and overseen by Beijing. Here's the second... Beijing's Dirty
SECRET #2:"Bait the Trap With Treasury Notes!" Another fallout from
Beijing's supercheap labor strategy is America's massive trade deficit
with China
. It just keeps exploding.

As you can see in this chart, it's already passed a gap of over $120
billion
. That means we actually BUY $120 billion more in goods from
China than we manage to SELL to them. A household can't get rich... or
stay rich... if it spends more than it takes in. Neither can a nation.
Yet, no matter what we try to do to stop the gap from growing... weaken
our dollars, create trade tariffs, perfect production and slash costs...

America just can't keep up.

The trade deficit is now exploding $1.5 billion per day. Putting that in
perspective... that means we spend an additional $1 million on Chinese
products... every single passing minute! But that's not the worst part.
Guess what China is doing with all that money?

° First, the money we send China gets reinvested in the PLA, China's
massive military
. (New reports say China has just built low-profile
military bases on several disputed reefs in the Philippines!).

° Second, it goes back into funding more huge Chinese factories. With
200 million Chinese looking for jobs, China needs to build places for
them to work! It also needs to buy HUGE stockpiles of raw resources to
keep the factories running. ° Third, and most dangerous of all, the
Chinese government uses a lot of their extra exporting income... to pile
up
an absolutely SICK number of U.S. Treasury bonds! That's right. China
spends nearly $7.8 million an hour... or $187 million a day... snapping
up US Treasuries and dollars.

The movers and shakers in China now hold the U.S. hostage to over $120
billion in Treasuries
!

Now ask yourself: If it's obvious that U.S. interest rates have nowhere
to go but up
... if it's obvious the U.S. dollar has nowhere to go but
down... and if it's obvious that Washington right now is literally
spending America into oblivion...

Why would the Chinese government sock so much faith in U.S. treasuries?

Simple. It's not a vote in America's future at all. Instead, it's
Beijing's way of backing America into a corner!


Think about it. The Feb. 5, 2004 Wall Street Journal has already
reported that other Asian countries -- who altogether with China and
Japan included -- hold an eye-popping $1.9 TRILLION in U.S. foreign
reserves
-- are starting to dump U.S. debt. Korea and Thailand dumping
is one thing. But when a massive holder like China stops buying U.S.
debt and starts dumping
, it's a much, MUCH bigger deal.

Pressure on U.S. bond yields will skyrocket. Other foreign investors
will run from dollar-priced securities in a panic
. Long interest-rates
will jump. And U.S. consumers, businesses, and investors will get
crushed in the jaws of a very powerful "Treasury Trap"!

It won't take more than a whisper - "sell." And that's your signal. I
promised earlier to show you how to protect yourself from exactly this
kind of disaster. And that's precisely what you'll discover in your FREE
e-mail report "Total Profit Protection From the Coming China Crisis! "
But before we dig into all that, let me share with you just one more
piece of this sinister puzzle...

Beijing's Dangerous Strategy #3:"Lock the U.S. Dollar in a Death
Struggle"
To finance all its foreign debt, the United States has to
spend a breathtaking
$55 million per hour... or $1.3 billion per day...
just to keep enough liquidity in the system to cover overseas
interest-payment obligations.

Washington treats the Federal Reserve like a money machine: Walk up,
punch the buttons on the printing press, and out comes the cash! Why?
Because the more dollars there are, the less they're worth. And the less
they're worth, the easier it is to cover those interest obligations

without wincing. "America's growing reliance on high quality, low-price
Chinese imports eventually might undermine the U.S. defense industrial
base." US-China Security Review Commission Report

Trouble is, no government -- not even one as large as America's -- can
keep up with that kind of program
. Especially when you're overextended
on your own personal spending budget by nearly half a trillion (with a
"t") dollars! So just by holding U.S. Treasures, Beijing already has us
trapped
. But they haven't stopped there. China has ALSO hoarded piles
and piles of ever-cheaper U.S .dollars
. They've now got more than $310
billion in U.S .dollar reserves
! Again, you have to ask: If U.S. dollars
are backed by an overextended federal government... and if other major
governments worldwide are already talking about switching reserves to
gold and euros... if America's money isn't worth the paper it's printed
on...

Why would China want to keep so much of their newfound wealth in the
U.S. dollar
, a currency that's already down more than 50% since October
2000? Again, it's simple. Since 1995, the Chinese currency -- the yuan
-- has been pegged to the dollar at the weak exchange rate of 8.28 to
the dollar. No matter how low the dollar goes, the yuan goes with it. So
no matter how low the dollar goes... it's virtually impossible to close
any currency-related
trading gap we've got with China! It's like seeing
how long two enemies can hold their breath under water. Whoever can
withstand having a dirt-cheap currency the longest wins. But so far,
judging just by the trading deficit, it looks like China is winning. And
the U.S. is running out of options.


Could a stronger dollar shake loose the yuan's death grip? Not at all.
This is how the sinister yuan strategy works. If the dollar rises, the
yuan rises in lock step. If the dollar drops, so does the yuan. China's
trading advantage never disappears... but we risk
popping our own real
estate bubble, slashing trade with Europe, and knocking the legs out
from under stocks and bonds.


Meanwhile, China still has $310 billion in dollar reserves... which it
can trade for euros or gold at any time... and use to throw the dollar
into a final death spiral
. When Beijing starts dumping, what follows
could be worse for dollars than anything since
Nixon broke with Bretton
Woods in the 1970s.

Your FREE copy of "Total Profit Protection From the Coming China
Crisis!" will also show you to protect yourself against this inevitable
dollar collapse... with a strategies that can turnsevery $1,000 invested
into as much as $78,400 or more. But first... Still wondering how or why
all of this could have been a planned economic attack... rather than
just an accident of free-market capitalism? Still think all this is a
coincidence?


That's ok. But before you make up your mind to the contrary, you'd
better read this...
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