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" bon moun" wrote:
 

As execrable as the grave-robbing Skull and Bones fraternity is, and as opportunist as John Kerry’s politics are, it remains important to separate truth from lies.  Most of us who participated in field operations in Vietnam, including Michael Benge’s CIA people, were guilty of violations of international law.  The most principled thing Kerry ever did was testify about that, and that is precisely what has aroused the rage of Benge and the so-called Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry – front group to begin slandering Kerry on behalf of the Republican Party.  Benge is a nut, one of those who have continued to demand the return of mythical POWs from Vietnam and who went ape shit when diplomatic relations were restored with Vietnam, and who are still obsessed with Jane Fonda.  The business about Kerry’s fake war record and “medals that are not his” is utter nonsense.  This is on par with the little stunt Bush pulled in SC when another “plausibly deniable” outfit spread the rumor that McCain had an “illegitimate black child” there.  It is unfortunate that left-wing blogs are picking this up and disseminating it without checking this out first.  They have managed to conflate left criticism of Kerry with this bullshit, and I assure you this is an intentional strategy by the Bush people who are terrified that Kerry will call attention to Bush’s less-than-sterling military record.  We should retain a critical distance from Kerry, but we should also avoid being used by the right-wing to spread lies about the one thing he did right, when he was one of us… tell the truth to Congress and the people about what was happening in Vietnam.

 

Here is Benge:

 

http://www.pray4pows.org/controversies/100_great_women_fonda/objections_benge.html

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/kerry_bng.htm

http://www.aiipowmia.com/sea/lippo_benge.html

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/patrick.guenin/cantho/vnnews/letters.htm

http://www.greasyonline.com/news/hanoi.php

http://pages.prodigy.net/lynnpowmia/991106.htm

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa110399b.htm

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/index.jsp?section=papers&code=93-D_63

 

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by Skull & Bones Kerry Sunday, Jan. 18, 2004 at 10:47 AM

 

What Skull & Bones Member Sen John Kerry don't want you to Know/Remember...

Portion of John Kerry remarks on NBC's "Meet the Press" May 6, 2001:


MR. RUSSERT: You mentioned you're a military guy. There's been a lot of
discussion
about Bob Kerrey, your former Democratic colleague in the
Senate,

 

Here is some more info about Kerry from former VIETNAM POW Michael Benge...

John Kerry's war record


When Mr. Kerry pontificated at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial on Veterans
Day, a group of veterans turned their backs on him and walked away. They
remembered Mr. Kerry as the anti-war activist who testified before Congress
during the war, accusing veterans of being war criminals. The dust jacket
of Mr. Kerry's pro-Hanoi book, "The New Soldier," features a photograph of
his ragged band of radicals mocking the U.S. Marine Corps Memorial, which
depicts the flag-raising on
Iwo Jima, with an upside-down American flag.
Retired Gen.  

Response Jim C: What you say is true although I believe that it is important to visit and even reproduce some of these sources if for no other reason than to provoke responses such as yours. But I have to say, not only for the Kerry types but for other vets as well, you can't have it both ways: 1) I participated in a genocidal war and a cornocopia of outright war crimes while serving as a willing tool of U.S. imperialism; versus 2) I am still somehow "proud" of my "service" and medals and continue to trade on my "service"  and medals and  even celebrate all of it.

There is no aspect of my own military service I am interested in celebrating, bragging about, or whatever; it is a shame I will carry with me for the rest of my life. When I came home in 1966, and later joined and worked with VVAW, I saw, among some of the "anti-War" Vietnam and non-Vietnam vets, some of the same shit you find at the typical VFW and American Legion meetings: wearing bush/fatigue jackets and medals, pecking orders based on bush versus REMF time, in-country versus out-of-country, officers versus enlisted,  CIB versus non-CIB, airborne versus non-airborne, etc etc etc. I saw some of the vets still doing "vet-speak" ("Charlie" versus NLF, "the Nam" versus Vietnam) and some still had a glint in the eye when thinking about the "primo dope" and "cheap pussy" available; they didn't get the point.

Up until the Tet Offensive in 1968, almost all troops in Vietnam were volunteers; only after Tet were draftees sent without putting in a 1049 for transfer. There is nothing like a good war to turn a "nobody" into a "somebody"--the Audie Murphy syndrome.  Some of those I "served" with were outright sociopaths, losers, fuck-ups, predators, psychopaths etc looking for a war environment with few rules and restraints. They didn't get fucked up FROM Vietnam, they went to Vietnam because they were already fucked up and looking for a little "glory" to nurture some of the ol self-esteem problems. Even VVAW, by its own name, still celebrates the veteran status (ostensibly to note that combat veterans can be the best source to warn others about what war is really about.) and had, in my day, some forms of celebration of exactly what they were designed not to celebrate but to expose--participation in genocidal wars as tools of U.S. imperialism.

In Kerry's case, as a member of Skull and Bones (68) before he left, he was driven by the "three ordeals" of the Bones: prep school; business; war. Bonesmen are expected to "make their bones" through participation in all three of the "ordeals." So Kerry's own celebrations of his "war record" and "bravery" are indeed hypocritical, disingenuous etc regardless of who is making the point and regardless of for what agenda. That is why they are making some noise about Bush's own "military record" which can be seen and documented fully on www.awolbush.com (The dems of course had nothing to say about it in the last selection 2000).

Jim C

 

 

 



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