Re: [A-List] Re: COUP d' ETAT IN WASHINGTON

[Hudsonmi@xxxxxxx]

In a message dated 6/27/03 1:19:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, annewilliamson@xxxxxxx writes:


> On 6-27-03, Sabri wrote:
>
> "....how do you explain the ignorance of Andrew Kliman or Fred
> Moseley or Rachesh Bhandari (sp ?) still arguing that Marx did
> not make any mistake whereas Boris Stremlin or Stephen Sherman
> arguing that he screwed up and Wallerstein was right?"
>
> Sabri, I am dizzy just reading....I don't presume to explain this or
> that named gentlemen's crimes against ideology/philosophy.  Other
> than Wallerstein, quite frankly, I don't know about whom you speak -
> and that is not to say that I should - or should not - know.  I am not a
> Marxist; that is why I am on this list as odd as that might seem.  I was
> invited to the list by Mark Jones, who knew quite well where I stand yet
> was absolutely undeterred about my signing on.  It's been a real pleasure
> to participate, but I do try to keep my posts and comments
> pertinent to the issues before the A-List - and only what I think might
> be useful/stimulating to all, not necessarily what I think you should know
> about my side of the argument.  And I do recognize my limitations in
> commenting
> usefully on the finer nuances of your secular faith. (Though I do appreciate
> the irony that we're talking here respectively about two dead Jews :-)
>
> But, see, I believe one of those Jews is living.  I believe him to be the
> living
> son of God, as he so identified himself.  Now, that seems strange and
> peculiar to you.  I understand that.  But - perhaps I can explain it
> thusly -
> the things about which Jesus spoke are all about me every second of my
> existence - and what he said animates and transcends what I witness each
> day, each moment; there is both joy and sorrow at every turn, the sacred
> and the profane side-by-side.  For me the word of God leaps from every
> tongue - no matter how deranged - and from each instance of human existence,
> no matter how disappointing, middling, or uplifting.  If I don't notice the
> hand
> of God, then it's because I'm not paying attention.
>
> To go further with this line of thought isn't really easily done in this
> format.
> You say you are similarly interrogating a Muslim.  Okay; that's interesting,
> and possibly even telling.  I guess, Sabri, I'm saying a spiritual journey
> is different
> than a political journey.  You are well on the path of the latter, but I -
> perhaps
> alone here - will strongly encourage you to continue investigating the
> first.
>
> All that having been said - and I'm quite willing to continue this
> discussion
> by private email - I don't think the A-List is the appropriate venue for
> theological discussion.  This is a secular list.  Christianity, Islam,
> Judaism,
> Taoism, Hinduism, and Buddism are part and parcel of the lands at issue
> here -
> and, are represented if in no other way than native context, by at least
> some of
> our participants.
>
> In fact, that is why I felt compelled to respond to Michael as I misread him
> in the first place - his post with which I took issue was in response to a
> non-Christian, and I was concerned that that individual was being
> misinformed
> about the tenets of Christianity as a consequence of Michael's narrow focus
> on fundamentalists.  All that is cleared up now - but my point is that we
> should not make an issue here of faith, or we're all going to get hopelessly
> entangled and end up saying things we'll regret to one another.  I just
> don't think
> that's what the A-List is or should be about.  At least, not as I have
> witnessed it.
>
> Absolutely nothing I have written here is meant to dissuade you from further
> investigations.  I will be very happy to respond to any further questions
> you
> might have for me at anyutka@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> All best,
>
> Anne
>
> And, no, Windows XP is not better than Windows 98 or 2000.
>
> In fact, it's far worse as it contains a "backdoor" for Fedgov.  How do you
> think
> Gates got out of that DOJ suit?


       One thing I think we can all agree on, Anne.
       All devils claim to be agents of God.
       This goes for Stalinists vis-a-vis Marx too.
       the problem is, how to tell the difference!    
       Curiously, the devils seem to be better political operators when it comes to taking over the nominal church apparatus. (Viz. Cyril of Alexandria.)

Michael Hudson