RE: [A-List] US imperialism: global oil stitch-up

["Mark Jones" <markjones011@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I don't think you're stupid (not yet anyway). But capitalism can collapse
without anything much replacing it. Like the Roman Empire, or the Mayan
empire, or the ancient Siamese civilisations of Angkor Wat, all disappeared
and were abandoned to the gnawing criticisms of rodents and to the jungle.
Is that what you want?

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> In a message dated 11/5/2002 11:39:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> markjones011@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>
> > Like wow, Monbiot, like John Bellamy Foster evidently, has
> caught up with
> > the idea of imperialism. Better late than never, eh? But this is not a
> > victory for US imperialism but a gigantic and world-shatering
> crisis which
> > is certain to sweep imperialism and the whole rotten capitalist
> system away.
>
>
> please be patient with the stupid but it seems like youre saying
> that the collapse of imperialism and capitalism are inevitable
> here, but...
>
>
> > What Monbiot should do is start from there: the futureworld of final
> > capitalist crisis, amid pandemics, ecosystem collapse, runaway global
> > warming and energy (and food, and water) famines--and work back
> from there
> > to where we are now. If he did that he would see that the next
> step is not
> > more puerile, muckraking articles for the agony-aunts of intellectual
> > liberalism like the Guaridna. The next step is to embrace
> > the path of
> > revolution.
>
>
> here your call for revolution seems to imply that it is not
> inevitable or that it really matters what we do now, yet the
> scenario you depict does not give much hope that anything we can
> do now will matter more than, as you say, a cup of warm spit.
>
>   keith
>
>