Re: [A-List] The Peso is a "Derivative" of the Dollar

["bon moun" <sherrynstan@xxxxxxx>]

This debate can never be reconciled.  Marxists have a very definite notion
of what the state is, and it is antithetical to the libertarian notion.
These differences are fundamental philospohical differences, based on
radically different premises.  Libertarians and marxists agree that the
individual human being is the indivisible unit of society.  But marxists
understand that indivisibility does not translate into independence.
Social relations are changeable, and even sometimes divisible, but they are
absolutely inescapable, and the notion of an abstraction called "individual
choice" being the basis of some abstraction called "liberty" is, and always
has been, reified reductionist nonsense (no personal offense intended,
Ann).  All individuals are constructed socially.  If they weren't, we
couldn't have this conversation.

Libertarianism fails most completely in its ahistoricism.  When
libertarians begin to seriously ask the question how did the state appear
in the first place, and how does it persevere in so many changing forms,
then they will break out of that mechanistic box they are in, and begin to
question the notion of property itself.

How does property become property?