Re: [A-List] Argentine: Hugo Salinas Price

["Anne Williamson" <annewilliamson@xxxxxxx>]

Here's an exchange between "goldies" on Argentina, the IMF, and our
future. -A.

Dear Hugo:

The modern financial system suffers from an insanity in that the surplus
country, Japan, sells cars here for dollar credits that they will never be
compensated for in something real as gold or merchandise.  One day we will
default as Argentina.  Dr. Hjalmar Schacht maintained that the power of a
modern state resides in its power of production, and operating under that
guideline, each nation competes on increasing their productive power.  I am
sure you have studied his rather amazing sleight of hand whereby he created
the rentenmark or revenue mark, that was just as valueless as the mark that
had been inflated away, and was able to restore confidence in his new unit
though it had no gold backing or intrinsic value.  His autobiography that
came out in the United States was appropriately named "The Confessions of
the Old Wizard."  To the degree the United States farms out its production
to Japan or Mexico it weakens its power of production, or at least its
potential power of production, and becomes a paper tiger.  So the Imperial
Power suffers as well as the victim who sells here for an imaginary payment.

I would say that the chief responsibility for this is in the excessive
creation of credit here that creates a demand that cannot be easily
satisfied by our present industrial capacity, though we could build more
automobile factories if we desired, and then we would be even stronger.
Japan is now saying they will try to outdo us in the manufacture of bank
credit, and that should cause their currency to depreciate causing our trade
deficit to increase.  They are more concerned about unemployment than being
paid with something real.

There is an old saying of the ancients that God first makes mad those he
wishes to destroy.  I would say that modern man now suffers from collective
insanity in many areas, this not being the only one.


                          With best wishes.


                                David

>>
>December 21, 2001
>
>
>WHAT REALLY KILLED ARGENTINA?
>
>By Hugo Salinas Price
>
>
>So, the Argentinian economy has collapsed and social and financial chaos
>reigns.
>
>We shall read a great deal about it, but you can be sure very few analysts,
>if any, will mention the actual and fundamental cause of this disaster.  To
>do so, is too horrifying, for  what has destroyed Argentina, is the same
>cause at work all over the world today. Argentina's fate is the world's
>fate - and that is too drastic a conclusion for any analyst who wants to be
>paid for his work.
>
>Argentina's fate was determined by the deliberations of John Maynard Keynes
>and Harry Dexter White, when they drew up the Bretton Woods Agreement as
>World War II was coming to an end. There, they created what France's
>General De Gaulle later called "an exorbitant privilege": the right,
>pertaining to the victorious U.S.A., to have its dollars considered as
>equivalent to gold in the reserves of Central Banks the world over.
>
>As most readers well know, the Agreement was violated by President Nixon on
>August 15, 1971, when he "closed the gold window", and refused to continue
>redeeming dollars in the hands of foreign Central Banks, for gold, at any
>price.
>
>With a dollar that did not have to be redeemed, as of 1971 the U.S. was
>free to expand credit out of nothing, and this expansion of credit resulted
>in conditions which led the American people to believe themselves superior
>in many ways, to the rest of the world.
>
>As the years went on, credit - debt that is - kept expanding and this
>expansion of credit, led to more money in the hands of the public. The U.S.
>public proceeded to buy anything and everything the world had to offer, and
>send dollars in payment, to such an extent that today, dollars in the
>amount of some $400 billion a year, leave the U.S. to purchase goods and
>services, and even for the purchase of all sorts of assets all over the
>world.
>
>The other side of this "exorbitant privilege" for the U.S., is a
>corresponding "exorbitant impoverishment" for the rest of the world.
>
>It is essential to recognize that the U.S. trade deficit of $400 billion a
>year, is really a tax on the whole world, for the benefit of the U.S.
>
>Imports are not really paid with dollars sent abroad. Imports are only
>actually paid with exports of goods and services. Since the U.S. has no
>intention of ever actually paying for present and past imports, with goods
>and services, and bringing back to the U.S. the immense amount of dollars
>sent abroad through its accumulated trade deficits, that yearly trade
>deficit amounts to a yearly tax on the rest of the world. The accumulated
>taxation extorted by the U.S., is huge. (see my article, "Why Are the
>Americans Smiling?" www.plata.com.mx) The measure of the taxation is the
>amount of Central Bank reserves - in dollars - which have built up
>enormously since 1971.
>
>That is what really killed Argentina: U.S. taxation through the monetary
>system which prevails, and which allows the U.S. to buy things without
>paying for them.
>
>The process of enriching the U.S. through this exaction of tribute - the
>correct word - is matched by a corresponding impoverishment of the rest of
>the world.
>
>Some countries, due to various factors, are able to pay the tribute. Japan
>has been a great payer of tribute: it holds some $400 billion in Central
>Bank reserves, which is the measure of the tribute they have been able to
>pay.
>
>Other countries are just not able to pay the tribute. They fall on hard
>times, and go bankrupt. Such is the case of Argentina. Yes, there has been
>corruption, mismanagement, political instability, what have you. But that
>is not the basic reason for their bankruptcy. Basically, they are the
>momentary losers in an unjust situation, the obligation to deliver tribute
>to the U.S. and thus maintain their dollar reserves. A kind of "musical
>chairs" situation, where they have been the losers. Why is the "chair"
>missing? It went to the U.S.!
>
>This system of dollar reserves, is a massive system of world-tribute
>payable to the U.S. It is unjust and implies the impoverishment of the
>world for the benefit of the U.S.  The impoverishment does not produce its
>results evenly. Some countries go belly-up before others. Argentina is the
>nation presently going under.
>
>The Euro
>
>What we are saying is proved by the fact that the Europeans have created
>the Euro as money for a block of twelve European countries. These countries
>well realized what we are saying, and came to the conclusion that though
>they did not like each other very much, they disliked paying tribute to the
>Americans even more.
>
>So now, Europe proposes to muscle in on the racket that has been the
>"exorbitant privilege" of the U.S., by floating its own currency, which it
>hopes will also be accepted all over the world, just like the dollar.
>
>This is not a particularly humanitarian move. What Europe wants, is to be
>able to tax the world itself, and share the business with the U.S. dollar.
>Europe too, wants to be able to buy things without paying for them, simply
>by giving the sellers Euros. At least so far, that appears to be the
>European objective.
>
>
>
>
>More Argentinas
>
>So, expect more Argentinas. This taxation of the world may go on for a long
>time. Perhaps it won't end until the whole world is bled white and every
>country, outside the U.S. and Europe, gives up and retreats into
>protectionism and dictatorship, to keep the people from going at each
>other's throats.
>
>An equitable and stable world will not emerge, until gold reassumes its
>role as the world's money. Perhaps we should say, "a world approaching
>equitable dealing", for humans being what they are, there will always be
>some people to take advantage of others. And even gold is not a perfect
>money - some countries have gold mines, others don't. Who was it that said,
>"Life is not fair"?
>
>Indeed, gold is not perfect money; but it's the nearest thing we have, to
>perfect money.
>
>What killed Argentina? In the last analysis, a world monetary system that
>turned its back on gold.  Under the previous system, the Gold Standard,
>there was a minimum of exploitation. Gold only moved from one country to
>another in minimal amounts, to settle transitory differences in value of
>goods and services traded. There was no system of worldwide payment of
>tribute in favor of one country, as today. Not surprisingly, financial
>crises were the exception, not the rule.
>
>The Grim Truth
>
>"Economists" are forever barking up the wrong tree. Argentina's problems
>will be blamed on corruption, on ineptitude, on gross mismanagement, on
>political instability, on the declining world economy - on anything but the
>truth.
>
>The tribute paid to the U.S. through the world's monetary system destroyed
>Argentina. That's the grim truth. The whole world, with the exception of
>Europe, which hopes to escape the trap, is facing the fate of Argentina. As
>the rest of the world becomes poorer by the day, there is another Argentina
>in the making. Who will go under next?
>
>A change in the world's monetary system will involve enormous suffering.
>But not changing it, will mean more Argentinas.
>
>Change will mean the kind of suffering that Russia went through, when it
>abandoned Soviet central planning. Enormous human deprivation came down on
>innocent people. Now imagine the whole world involved in the throes of such
>a catastrophe.
>
>It is next to impossible to visualize. And yet, there is only one way out
>of this mess, and it will involve deep suffering: a return to gold and only
>gold, as Central Bank reserves.
>
>And that is what no analyst is willing to face up to. No analyst really
>wants to know: "What Killed Argentina?" The answer is just too ghastly.
>
>
>With best regards, your friend,
>
>Hugo
>
>


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----- Original Message -----
From: Gorojovsky <Gorojovsky@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [A-List] Argentine: originalities of process and economics


I will answer Figueiredo later on.

But just to point out two facts

"Página 12" is the newspaper designed to tailor the "left-progressive"
opinion
in Buenos Aires by the monopoly of media Clarín.

The position of Figu. is exactly what the "cultured" progressives of Buenos
Aires are thinking of the new government. It is the same people who went
with
all their appurtenances to the train of De la Rúa.

But I will answer later.

Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky
gorojovsky@xxxxxxxxxxxx